Speaker 0 00:00:03 Welcome, pull up a chair, feel your mug, get comfy. Join us at the table for the most unusual tea party. Here's your host and graph ologist Theresa April
Speaker 1 00:00:18 Welcome everybody to a most unusual tea party. I'm your host and graphologist Theresa Avram. And with me today, I have somebody who is an inspirational speaker, a consultant, a personal coach, the author of what if it all goes right? Plus the founder of the, what if up club, which provides inspiration and support for people and organizations around the world. I am a big fan of Mindy's. What if up philosophy and her book? What if it all goes right? It is not only a delightful read, but it is a useful step-by-step handbook that puts the law of attraction, quantum physics, the power of positive thinking and the teachings up, uh, Bob Proctor, Byron Katie Wayne Dyer, my beloved Tosha, silver and Abraham Hicks into practice. And if that isn't enough, it provides a simple way to circumnavigate. The what problem that I personally have with affirmations. And that's being that repeating something we don't actually believe only drives what you don't want deeper into your belief system. And all of this starts with two simple, but very powerful words. And it's been created by <inaudible>.
Speaker 1 00:01:39 And those two powerful words are what if so, welcome to the tea party, Mindy <inaudible> and thank you for driving me. Well, thank you, Teresa. I never say no to a tea party, even the most unusual ones and most unusual ones, the more than usual, the better. Well, what is, what kind of tea are you drinking today? Today? It is a decaf decaf, Earl gray, cause I don't need more enthusiasm. Earl gray with a little bit of a coconut cream in it and a little sprinkle of cinnamon. Oh, that sounds delicious. Yeah, that is awesome. In my mud today, I just have a very straightforward green tea. Oh, nice. That sounds really bad. Some days you just need the basics today. It's a special occasion for me to get to be with you. So I thought I'd get a little fancy, right? Thank you. I'm honored. So Mindy, you have that, you created the, what if up process and contained in those two little words, what if it's that power to create or the power to destroy? And before we look at your tea, I just like you to share a little bit more about what it means to what if up in that process?
Speaker 2 00:03:01 Yeah, well, you know, this is an interesting time to be asking that question is, you know, how do we look at the circumstances that are happening in our lives and in the world and how do we approach all the challenges and all the problems and all the changes and all the opportunities that are in front of us. And so, you know, our imagination is this incredible tool, but so many of us use that imagination to do what I call, what if Downing, which is saying, well, what if it's all falling apart? And what if it's the end of the world? And what if we can't do this because a Kobe, what if I can't do that? And we use our imagination to create these scenarios that leave us it with anxiety and stress and fear and overwhelm and, uh, paralyzes us so that we can't do what we're truly in my belief, what we're called to do, uh, to me, if we can turn that around and use the same power of our imagination, to what if up and to consider, you know, what, if this is our time and what if this is the opportunity we've been waiting for to make a difference and to bring our gifts to life when we can think differently and imagine different scenarios to what if up into possibility what it does is it seems like it's just like, it frees us to be able to take our gifts and all the things that make us unique and special, and to really blast them into the world at a time when there is a great need for all of us to step up, rise up and, and share those gifts.
Speaker 2 00:04:25 So that's the basic idea is are we, what if Downing and saying, what if it all goes wrong? Or what if upping and claiming that there is a possibility here and stepping into the mindset to be able to see the possibility and then getting that enthusiasm to know what's ours to do and step into it.
Speaker 1 00:04:42 Uh, yeah. I just love how you phrase that because that's such a key part is we all have our thinking ruts and it's so easy to go down the red of what if Downing, right? What if it all goes wrong? What if I'm a failure? What if somebody laughs at me? Um, it's almost like it's, we're trained to think that way. Absolutely. Yeah. We, we learn
Speaker 2 00:05:01 Processes at a very, very young age, but the great news is that we can change those processes at any time at any age, you know, through nerve neuroplasticity, we're able to take the wiring, the neuro network of our brain. And by being one aware that, Hey, I'm going down this tunnel, I'm going to this place that is a dark place that isn't going to lead me anywhere. Good. If we can be aware of that. And in that moment, have a tool where we can pattern interrupt. We can say, okay, well I usually go down when this happens, but this time I'm going to, what if up it? And it starts breaking down some of those old patterns and the more you do it, the more it reinforces new neural pathways that allow us to be more resilient. It allows us to be more creative, more innovative, and to solve problems much more easily. So we don't get daunted and overwhelmed when a problem comes up, we get rubbed up because we know, okay, this is our time. Let's rise up, let's do this. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1 00:05:58 A big believer that we all have something to learn in our life. And there's many different lessons that we learn. And if we're encountering the same thing over and over again, it's definitely a lesson for us. And by what if upping your way through it, you can learn that lesson just a little quicker sometimes I think.
Speaker 2 00:06:14 Yeah. And especially when you, I mean, it's one thing to do it on your own and you know, anyone can read the book and get the process. And it's fairly simple idea. Um, what I found is if you really want to create change, you come together with other people. Because when we have our, what if clubs and our, what if up groups and all of these mastermind sessions that we have, there's something about, uh, not having to try to do it all on your own and having other people who no matter where your mind goes, there's this commitment and there's this culture to, you know, give me anything, give me your darkest night, give me that day when you feel like you just can't get out of bed. And let's see if we can find that next sliver of hope, that sliver of possibility that can get you to the next step and the next step and the next step and doing it together is, uh, it's a lot easier than trying it out on our own.
Speaker 1 00:07:02 It totally is. It's so much easier. It's, it's what we do all the time. Right? You can look at somebody else and say, well, why aren't they doing this? And why what's the problem here when it comes to you? That's right. So it's way easier for somebody else to provide solutions that are not actually, it's not, solution-based, it's just, it's easier for somebody else to give you inspiration, to look at it in a different way when they're not directly involved in going down the same ruts as you.
Speaker 2 00:07:27 Yeah. And I love how you say it's not about the solutions. It's about the ideas that we don't give each other the way we give each other the possibilities. And then we trusted everybody. Has it wired within them to know if I have all these possibilities, if I really tune in and listen, I'll know what's mine to do so we share ideas and then trust that, uh, you know, we all have, we all have that guidance that can help us take our next step as well.
Speaker 1 00:07:52 We do. Oh, there's just so much to talk about Mindy. I'm so excited. But before we go any further into that, I just want to take a look at the tea in your hand. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:08:03 Okay.
Speaker 1 00:08:07 You were kind enough to provide me a sample and there was lots of teas in there to work with. I think the most striking thing about your teeth is
Speaker 2 00:08:17 The variety of them. You have
Speaker 1 00:08:20 A lot of different ways of doing your teeth and that in and of itself tells me something about it.
Speaker 2 00:08:27 You can probably guess what I'm going to say next, but variety of teas means creativity. Possibility. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:08:36 That's right. There is creativity there and you were very versatile, so you can adapt and change easily. And I think that comes in very handy, given what you do.
Speaker 2 00:08:47 Absolutely. Yeah. That is a, that is what we do is we look at things and say, how do we, how do we use this for good? And sometimes that's not an obvious solution. So yeah. That's how fascinating. I never noticed that before. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:09:01 It's a lot of different ones. Some of them, you have a nice little plus sign and some of them you have at 'em with the lowest low T-bar crossing, some of them are higher. Some of them, you have like a loop STEM. It's, there's quite a variety in there. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Another thing. And you've already mentioned this a couple of times, so I think it's kind of fun. Um, is your capital T's are large and you have a very nice, fairly straight T-bar crossing at the top that is nice and long. And that shows enthusiasm and determination. And you've already mentioned enthusiasm several.
Speaker 2 00:09:39 Yes. That is a, that is a characteristic trait, for sure.
Speaker 1 00:09:45 Yeah. And it shows there in your teas, which stand up nice and tall and proud and show enthusiasm with that left to right hand movement in the T-bar crossing.
Speaker 2 00:09:55 I love that word. That's actually, what we talk about in the, in the process is when your mind is creating positive ideas and your wisdom is saying, yes, that enthusiasm is the natural result of that. So I love that you use that word cause that's, that's the word I use too. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:10:11 It's kind of funny how it just shows up so clearly, cause it there's several different ways in your writing where that actually comes up again because the single most common feature of your variety of teas that I found in five out of seven is that they're printed with absolutely no lead in stroke. And that it is actually kind of neat that there's no lead in stroke. And that indicates indicates a direct and clear communicator. But we also see a nice long T bar. I don't know if you can have your sample in front of you, but on the word on the word podcast, you can see where they're that T bar carries on. And that again, we're seeing that dynamic left to right movement. And again, it shows somebody who knows what she wants and is not afraid to put herself forward to get it. You Mindy have the enthusiasm and excitement. That's going to get things moving.
Speaker 2 00:11:08 Oh, well that's the intent. So a hooray. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:11:15 It's amazing how, you know, that's your intent and it's reflected in your writing and your body are our writing is just a reflection of our, our neuro network. It takes commands from the truth.
Speaker 2 00:11:27 One of the things we say a lot is how you do anything is how you do everything. So it absolutely makes sense that what's going on in our inner world gets reflected through everything that we do, including writing how great such a,
Speaker 1 00:11:41 Um, momentary picture, like the sample that you gave me. It really is just a photograph of that moment in time. And if we did another one a week from now, we might see something different. It, depending on where you're at and what you're feeling,
Speaker 2 00:11:57 That's fascinating. I actually was thinking about that as I wrote this, um, because I was thinking, you know, I wonder if I was doing this if I was having a bad day or if I was, you know, struggling with making a decision, like if you would be able to see that in my handwriting. Yes. For sure. Interesting.
Speaker 1 00:12:15 So another thing that I saw with your teas is that humor is hinted at because you have one T bar that is concave. And one that is a little bit wavy. Plus you have these rounded garlands there at the bottom where you connect some of your letters and there's a little bit of a roundedness to them rather than angular. But to really say that with a hundred percent certainty, I would need a bigger sample. But I think humor is hinted at, in your sample.
Speaker 2 00:12:42 Well, I love, I love humor. I mean, that's what makes life fun. It's great. And I liked it. It's just a hint because I am a, you know, if you asked me to tell you a joke right now, I wouldn't have wanted to tell you, but I would appreciate one. I love the joy of playfulness that often comes with a sense of humor too. So I love that. I love that you see that that is such a great distinction
Speaker 1 00:13:14 Because there are different degrees of humor. There's different types of humor and there's different ways to appreciate it and to express it.
Speaker 2 00:13:21 Beautiful.
Speaker 1 00:13:24 One other thing that I noticed in your sample is that on the words, can't wait,
Speaker 2 00:13:30 You got a little bit of a loop STEM in there now
Speaker 1 00:13:35 That is combined with larger writing. Your, your writing is larger. It's not smaller compressed. You also have full lower zone loops and there's a good dynamic movement going across the page. And we can really see that because your punctuation at the end of a sentence, there's a gap, right? There's you have a gap and then the punctuation. So we can really see that dynamic movement that you have going with momentum. Um, it really indicates that you are gregarious.
Speaker 2 00:14:07 Well, that just might be true, Theresa. And you know, one of the things that we talk about a lot is, is that thought does have momentum. There is momentum in positive thought and there's momentum in negative thought. And so by working with people in community and creating a momentum of energy and a momentum of, of positivity and looking towards the future, I love that that momentum is the word that you use because it's something that I think is really important about doing, uh, the kind of work that we do as a discipline and not just as a onetime, you know, I'm sure like you would find that too, like you could analyze handwriting once and help them at a certain level. But if you do it over time that there's probably more insights and more growth when you can have some continuity.
Speaker 1 00:15:01 If we can have a series of handwriting samples from somebody, it is amazing. The things that you can start to pick up and how you can help them.
Speaker 2 00:15:09 You know, I bet it would be interesting to see people through history to define them at different parts of their career. You know, if you were to look back historically, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 00:15:19 Oh, Oh, that's a nice little rabbit hole to go down. But if you're ever curious, just look at Richard Nixon's signature and how it changed through.
Speaker 2 00:15:28 Hm.
Speaker 1 00:15:29 Amazing. Because by the end, he's literally just making, he literally has crossed himself out. It's an ex it's like a line with a line through it. He's wow. He's like, I don't want my name anymore.
Speaker 2 00:15:43 Well, I would love to have you like analyze everyone that's in our Winnipeg club, right. Testimonial before and after signatures. I love it.
Speaker 1 00:15:54 Oh, actually, that's a very cool idea. Isn't that
Speaker 2 00:15:57 Would be so much fun is I like this idea. Alright.
Speaker 1 00:16:03 So the other thing I just wanted to mention with that is that that can't wait, you said I can't wait. And that's where your loop sip here and your writing is just a little bit different. It's a little bit more squishy in there, a technical term map, squishy, Rishi. Um, and that shows that perhaps sometimes you can be a little bit sensitive to the opinions of others and that you might maybe possibly were a little bit more nervous about coming on here. Then you perhaps wanted to let on.
Speaker 2 00:16:32 It is, I will tell you, I mean, to, to come on because I, um, what, I didn't realize that, uh, that you had read the book and that, you know, you've been following me for a while. I'm like, how did, how did Theresa or about me? So I'm like, I don't know who this person is, but I know that she can look at my handwriting and know everything about me. So, um, it is, it is a, uh, I think when you step into something like this, it is an opportunity to be vulnerable. And, you know, you putting, I'm sure you find this to everybody. We, we put our trust in you to, uh, to see what you see and, and to share, to share it in a way that is empowering and moves us forward. So, uh, so yeah, I mean, I would say that's absolutely true is I can't wait, but maybe I can just beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1 00:17:23 And I you're you're so you, you hit the nail right on the head. I think a lot of people innately realize that their handwriting is a piece of them. It is reflective of them. And there's a little bit of a hesitation in giving something so intimate to somebody else, knowing that they're going to see something in it that you don't even know you're doing.
Speaker 2 00:17:42 Absolutely. You know, I look back at my, my grandfather who had the most beautiful penmanship because they used practice. They used to, I mean, it's cool. They would just do loops and loops and loops and loops. And then I look at my father and his signature is very, very distinct and it's, it is a calling card, you know, how you, it's, how it's part of how you express yourself in the world is how you write and how you sign your name. And all those things are very revealing. And, and to, to be with someone like you, who has made a study of it and, you know, really understands the science behind it and what things mean. And I'm sure everyone that comes on, it's like, Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. That's pretty, uh, yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's such a fabulous process. I love it.
Speaker 1 00:18:29 Thank you. So the other thing that I want to mention about your handwriting that has nothing to do with your teeth, but it's really unique and just absolutely leapt off the page saying, look at me, look at me was that you have these breakaway strokes that appear in the majority of your ages, your lower case, H now a break away stroke
Speaker 2 00:18:51 Is where
Speaker 1 00:18:53 You have your STEM. And then that hump part of the age,
Speaker 2 00:18:57 Jets out, you don't
Speaker 1 00:18:59 Retrace the STEM at all. It juts out away from the STEM. And in some of them, you almost have like a U shape in between your STEM and the, the, the hump part. I see that, yes. And that is like so much fun
Speaker 2 00:19:15 Because
Speaker 1 00:19:16 When we see that in handwriting that is organized and balanced and has good movement across the page and is legible, it shows initiative and a readiness to move when opportunity knocks. It's a really positive sign when you have other supporting signs of positivity.
Speaker 2 00:19:37 I love that. I hear that opportunity. I am ready
Speaker 1 00:19:41 For you. You are ready to move. That's right.
Speaker 2 00:19:44 Yeah, that's right. Well, and that's what we'll talk about. We can talk about taking inspired action and to, to not take action until there's that sense of alignment and enthusiasm, but when it lines up and the opportunity, you know, it's like one, it attracts the opportunity. And when we recognize the opportunity that we are internally congruent with the opportunities that come to us so that it is easy to step into those opportunities when they arise. So yes, and that,
Speaker 1 00:20:16 I think some people might have trouble believing that it's easy to step into the opportunities that arise. If they haven't experienced the power of what if upping, it's a scary thing to think, how can I really do that? How can I step into something that is an unknown?
Speaker 2 00:20:33 It is a leap of faith, for sure. It is a leap of faith. And the wonderful thing about when you take a leap of faith and you realize that there is this universal safety net is the next time you take that leap of faith. It may be just as big of a leap, but it doesn't seem as scary. That's right.
Speaker 1 00:20:48 It's easier. It does. It's like when you go on a car ride somewhere and you've never been there before going out seems to take forever, but the trip back goes fast.
Speaker 2 00:20:59 Right. Because now there's some familiarity with it. Exactly. I love that. That's a great analogy. I like that. So that's what I saw in your tea. Wow. Yeah. There's a lot in that tea
Speaker 1 00:21:12 There surely was your T and your H, which was really an exciting age to see.
Speaker 2 00:21:17 Well, who would have thought I, you know, it's funny cause I was looking at the sample that I sent you and thinking, what is she going to pull out of this, looking at my own hand. Right. Cause I usually don't even think about it. You know, normally we're just writing stuff and busy and I, I haven't stopped honestly and looked at my handwriting consciously, uh, I don't know, ever a very long time. So, uh, it's really fascinating to, to have you share what popped out to you.
Speaker 1 00:21:47 I am just so appreciative that you were willing to take that leap of faith and share it with me, knowing that you didn't really know what was going to happen,
Speaker 2 00:21:56 Right. Something that's kind of exciting too, about the unknown, as much as you know, it's sort of that, uh, that internal struggle of, okay, this is unknown. This is something that, you know, maybe a little scary or I have a little bit of hesitation, but on the other side of that, there's also an enthusiasm and there's also an anticipation and an excitement about the fact that, you know, it's an opportunity to do something that I haven't done before. So I love the idea of stepping into, you know, leaning into the enthusiasm and leaning into the opportunity because that's what creates experiences like this with you, which is just so much fun. Thank you so much for all of this.
Speaker 1 00:22:33 Exactly. Thank you for being willing to jump in and just go for it. And I agree. It's one of those things where you, you know, that nervousness that you have in your body, it's actually exactly the same signals as excitement. It's just our interpretation. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:22:48 Absolutely. Yes.
Speaker 1 00:22:50 Don't get excitement without a few nerves along the way.
Speaker 2 00:22:52 That's right. And we wouldn't want, I don't think we would want to go through life and not feel at least, you know, a little bit of that, you know, that leading edge buzz when we're stepping outside the comfort zone, doing something different. I think that brings, uh, you know, a lot of us are thrill seekers and you know, I'll watch a scary movie or watch a drama or something. So I can feel that sense of anticipation. But to me, it's like, what if we don't need to watch it on a movie because we're, we can live it. You know, what, if we could have some excitement in our life because we feel like we have a purpose that's calling us forward. And, and it requires us to have leaps of faith and it requires us to do new things and that's, that's the fun and that's the adventure,
Speaker 1 00:23:35 That's the part where we're humans and that's what we get to experience. It's uniquely, it's a uniquely human experience to do. Exactly.
Speaker 2 00:23:43 Yeah. I love that. I love we can do it even in quarantine and even with social distancing and no matter what's going on that we can, we can create these experiences for ourselves. There's literally no limits.
Speaker 1 00:23:55 Yeah. And I I'm personally finding with the quarantine is it happens really.
Speaker 2 00:24:00 He pushed me
Speaker 1 00:24:03 To go out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 2 00:24:05 Well, and just think of how many people are doing things a year ago. They never thought they would have done it wouldn't have even been a possibility. So for all of the challenge that this has brought to us, you know, what, if we really focus on the good things that it's brought, I knew for me, it has brought a sense of clarity because I, uh, you know, there's a lot of things that I was doing before that I can't do now, which has given me much more clarity and focus on the things that I can do. It's been a, you know, a remarkable year in a lot of ways. One. Yes.
Speaker 1 00:24:36 Yes. And I love that, that clarity thing, because we've been stripped of so many of the other activities that kept us busy, but not necessarily fulfilled.
Speaker 2 00:24:48 Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 00:24:51 I just want to share with the listeners a little bit about my story with what if upping, because it is something that I have done for several years and it is a practice of mine that I use
Speaker 2 00:25:02 When
Speaker 1 00:25:03 I was going through a very difficult time with my daughter. She was, she had somebody who we had trusted for many years who was not willing to let her leave his sphere of influence. It was a really difficult time. It involved the RCMP, it involves city police officers. There was horrible anonymous messages every day to myself, my daughter, family, to friends, fake crime stopper tips. There was complaints to my employer and my daughter felt awful to put it mildly. And she was really feeling guilty. My big concern with all of this going on was I was really worried that she was going to pull away from me too. So I put the power of what if up into youth and after a little bit of brainstorming, I thought, well, what if, no matter how this goes, it brings my daughter and I closer together. And as soon as I had that thought, I felt a sense of relief because ultimately that was what was most important to me in the situation. I did not want to lose my connection with my daughter. And I think the, what if a process really helped me
Speaker 2 00:26:23 What it was that was most important to me in that, in that situation.
Speaker 1 00:26:30 So that's how I used it. And so I'm a big believer in it. It really gave me that sense of,
Speaker 2 00:26:36 I love too, that you've talked about, you know, what, if, no matter what the outcome is there there's that since we talk about non-attachment of being able to hold with clarity, what you desire without having attachment to what it looks like and the release of that. A lot of people, when they hear, you know, we do our vision boards and we set our goals and we do all those things. And then we hear non-attachment and was like, well, wait a minute. I really want that stuff to make my goals happen. And we don't always see that sometimes the most powerful way through is in the letting go, because in the letting go, we make a commitment to loving what is, which is such a freeing energy. Yeah. Wow. What an incredible story. And thank you for sharing that and for staying connected these years and, um, and sharing that with everyone. I mean, that's, that's what we're here to do is to help people through those times when you feel like maybe you can't see the way through, but with a little bit of a reflection and creativity and, uh, awareness, not attachment, uh, we can, we can think a different thought, which has us feel a different way, which has us create something different.
Speaker 1 00:27:51 Yes, exactly. And you mentioned how it is that act of letting go, you've got to give up control, right. Surrender and say, no, it doesn't have to be perfect. I don't have to understand everything that is going on, but it's going to be okay and I'm going to succeed.
Speaker 2 00:28:09 Yeah. We talk about non-attachment and love. And I really, the more I've been doing this work, the more I see that they are really the same thing, that when we are truly loving, what is even when it's scary or even when there's uncertainty, or even when it's not what we wanted to have happen, if we can be in that space of allowing this moment and still holding the vision for what we want, like having that clarity for what we want. Um, but not putting our happiness at stake. I can be happy in this moment. I can be joyful in this moment. I can be present and peaceful in this moment, even as I'm creating that thing that I want, even if things are, um, seemed to be confronting me on all different, uh, you know, on all different fronts, I can still, you know, what, if we could all go through all the things that we're going through in the world right now and stay centered and clear. And what if that really is the key to creating something different, creating a new, a new vision.
Speaker 1 00:29:12 Yes. And, you know, part of that is after you, what if it's like, how do you take the action? And for me, you know, when you just said there is, you know, what, if it is a, an opportunity for all of us and, you know, instantly my mind says, well, since it is an opportunity, what can we do? Like, it moves me into action. So fluidly
Speaker 2 00:29:31 That well, and what causes that is because your wisdom, here's the idea and says, yes, and that's the green light, right. When you can throw out an idea without attachment and listen to your wisdom is like, well, of course, uh, that's opening the flood Gates. Like that's the path to follow because that's the path that is a joyful path and a happy path. And it tends to, uh, create the, you know, the path of least resistance and the path of greatest impact.
Speaker 1 00:29:59 For sure. So you, you mentioned there, um, the wisdom right here, inner wisdom, that is what you were talking about and it's that sense of the yes. Yes or no. No. Yes. And how would you say, how do you know that it's like a true yes, yes. Or a true no, no. From your way.
Speaker 2 00:30:18 Yeah. A lot of it falls in that middle ground, doesn't it? You know, a lot of it is like, well, I don't know, is that a yes, it's not bad. It's not a bad, bad idea. Uh, when we do what if up circles, I have seen people who get so excited by an idea that finishing the workshop is a challenge for them because the idea lands in them and moves them so powerfully that they just want to drop everything and go do it. I had a training on Saturday where I had a woman who was literally bouncing in her seat because she like a little kid, she was so excited with an idea. And when the idea is yours to do, you know, I think it gives us this energy and this enthusiasm, this bounce up and down, like, okay, let me add it. Let me add it, let me get it, uh, that, that's our yes.
Speaker 2 00:31:14 And you know, and it's great to be able to notice the nose, like absolutely not because that allows us to focus and, you know, and that leaves us with all the sort of gray space in the middle where, you know, nothing bad, nothing, nothing wrong with that. Uh, if we can intentionally shift our mindset and look for the things that bring us the most joy, the most enthusiasm, it just, you know, it's like the icing on the cake, it's the cherry on top. It's, you know, it's what moves us to want to express more. Not because we need to fix something and not because something's wrong, but because we're creative and we see a vision for what we could create in the world. And isn't that fun.
Speaker 1 00:31:56 So it sounds like, you know it because it's just not just a no, no, yes, yes. Sound. It's like all through your body. It's resonating saying, yes, this is exciting. I want to do this. I want to embrace that.
Speaker 2 00:32:11 I think the, uh, the mind can throw out the ideas, but it's the heart and it's the wisdom and it's the core of you that can discern. Okay. So my, my mind is kicking out, you know, all these possibilities and even when they're all positive and they're all good. And they're all from, you know, you got friends surrounding you and they're sharing all these positive, uplifting ideas. They're not all ours to do. And when we think, okay, well, I had the thoughts. So that means I need to do it. We get overwhelmed. But if we can think the thoughts and then really listen to our heart or soul or being, uh, there is a wisdom there, and it does guide us in a, in a really beautiful way.
Speaker 1 00:32:49 And so profound right there. The, the idea that somebody else's idea may not be ours to do it doesn't mean it's not a good idea. It's just, it's not ours to do.
Speaker 2 00:32:59 Right. And that's why we don't ever, you know, we don't really teach the way we teach the way to know the way
Speaker 1 00:33:09 It's a pathway it's to help you get there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:33:14 I can't show you your way and you can't show me mine, but I can throw you some ideas based on my experience or based on what I know about you. But, uh, it really is fun to be able to co-create in this way where you're hearing ideas and coming together and it's all positive and it's all loving and it's all uplifting. And then really seeing what people take away and what, what they put into action and what happens, you know, the relationships that are healed and the, um, you know, I have people, I had somebody today tell me, uh, in our, what if we have a Facebook group at facebook.com/group/what if up? And we had somebody in there today who we were talking about, just what makes us happy? And she said, Oh, I've got this new ranch on 21 acres. And it's so amazing. And I posted back, I said, life is good. And she said, yeah, I manifested this ranch out of a, what if ups circle, all of this came out of a lot of ups circle. It was just an idea that was exciting. And now here it is, and I'm living it and I'm appreciating it. And, uh, I mean, that's just, it's just so fun to get, to be a part of each other's journey in that way.
Speaker 1 00:34:19 Yes, I, yeah. And I think part of it is when you're in those circles, when you're doing that work like that, it's almost like a group meditation because you're clearing the space for everybody simply to be in that receptive mode. Right.
Speaker 2 00:34:34 Co-creating, it's not judgment. I always, we have groups that meet in living rooms and we have groups that meet, you know, at schools and things. I mean, not anymore. We have groups that meet on zoom a lot, but even on zoom, even with the technology, there is an energy flow that happens when two or more gathered, there is something that is, to me, it's palpable. I can feel when people get together focused on an intent and a desire and coming together with a shared intention to, you know, to break through, to find the way of ease, to find the way that is joyful. It's just such a juicy, delightful energy to swim around in. So it's, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 00:35:19 One of the things that you talk about when you're in a group doing something like this, where you're brainstorming ideas, is that you have a time limit two and a half minutes for each person, right. What is it about having two and a half minutes for each person that makes this successful?
Speaker 2 00:35:36 Yeah, well, you know, been doing this for 20 years, two and a half minutes is just been kind of like, that's kind of when it feels like it's long enough to really allow your imagination to go beyond where it's gone before, because what happens in the first 30, 40 seconds is you do all the things that, you know, and then you hit a point where it's like, okay, well, let's go further. Let's go further. What else could it be? You know, what if it's this? And what if it's that? Um, and then that's usually enough. Like, I like to go to the next person in the round, um, while they're still like, you don't get to the point where the, the ideas have run out, you know, like you, you end at the crest of the wave before that wave crashes, and then you can take the momentum of that wave into the next person and the next person.
Speaker 2 00:36:19 So as you go around the circle, it's so fun to see, you know, the person first person will go. And then by the time you hit the end, there's just this energy, the spiraling that happens because you've been building on the momentum of the person before. And I don't know, that's just been my, my sort of intuitive, uh, experience in doing this with a whole lot of groups is two and a half seems to be the magic, the magic number, but you can do it. You can do it for more, but it works really well in a group that way.
Speaker 1 00:36:50 Thank you for sharing that. I know too, for me, I think sometimes as the person who is receiving the ideas from people after two and a half minutes, you can start to feel a little bit overwhelmed because there's all these possibilities that you hadn't actually thought of before, and it can start to get a little blurry,
Speaker 2 00:37:08 Right? Yeah. You'll get enough. I always tell people, all you need is one idea. You don't have one of the rules in fact, is that this is not supposed to add to your, to do list of all these things that you're supposed to now follow up on. If you have one idea that you put into action and you were to do that, you know, once a day, once a week, if you took one idea and really followed it through to see where it led you, uh, amazing things can happen. You know, like this woman and her 21 acre ranch with the deer in the backyard. And, you know, it's like that started with an idea, a little possibility that she followed through on and she followed through on and she followed through,
Speaker 1 00:37:43 Yeah, it can almost be your North star, right. That guiding light that you hold. Um, and I'm curious, do you have like a GoTo? What if up phrase that you reach for when you know that, you know, if something's starting to feel familiar, like, um, like for me, I always default into a fear of failure. That's just so ingrained in me. Everything comes back to, I'm afraid I'm going to fail. And for me, I have a, what, a phrase that I go back to whenever I start to feel that in myself and I recognize it, I say, well, what if this is the safest path for me to take a nice, and it instantly just calms me down and it breaks, it breaks that cycle. And I'm curious, do you have one that you go to, is there one phrase that's your North star?
Speaker 2 00:38:26 Well, when I go to a lot is what if it's fun? What if it's easy? Uh, and I, I remember, I think it was Willie Nelson was, he was like, if there's on my staff and they're not having fun, they're fired, I have fun. And sometimes I know I can get heady and I can get, you know, sort of nose to the grindstone in terms of the doing and the busy. And so I like it. And sometimes I can make things a whole lot harder than they need to be. I can complicate things, thinking it has to be, you know, because, because my ideas take me to such a broad place that sometimes I try to implement all of that all at once. And if it becomes and the implementation becomes overwhelming. So I like to go back to, you know, what, if you know, what if it's fun?
Speaker 2 00:39:09 What if it's easy? You know, what, if there is a way to approach this where, um, I'm loving every single thing that I do and what if it doesn't have to feel hard or overwhelming? You know, what if this is as natural as breathing is moving forward towards whatever that idea is that I hold. So those, those are my, they seem really light and easy. And I guess that's the idea is, you know, what, if you can create massive change in your life and in the world, and what if you could do it where you don't have to get all serious about it and down about it. And you know, it doesn't have to be a dark thing going out and creating change in the world. What if that's the most fun thing we can do? It's like a blank canvas. Our imagination is. And what if we could, we could envision, you know, we could take all the things that we see that we don't want and translate them into this vision of what we want to create. And then what if we knew that we had it within us to do that, you know, each of us in our own small way, but coming together in a way where we really can impact our culture, we can impact our communities. We can impact the world. I believe that's possible right there with you. Yes. We'll see. That's the idea. It just takes, you know, where two or more gathered we do our thing and we do it together and we lift each other up.
Speaker 1 00:40:24 Yes, exactly. And it's, you know, the, the phrase is it's a little bit trite, a little bit well used, but it is your, you know, your vibe attracts your tribe. And when you do get together with people, you start to have that same vibe that goes around. And if you can create it with the intention of being positive, it is so rewarding and so inspiring.
Speaker 2 00:40:44 I could not agree more. I couldn't agree more. That's actually, my passion now is, is bringing people like you. And like, I'm sure everyone who's listening to this, it's resonating with this. Like what, what if we all came together? And what if we knew, you know, each person's gifts, each person's dream, each person's, you know, focus. And what if all of us, you know, came together to encourage, to support, to share resources, to share ideas, to create a network for, you know, all these people on the planet now. And I know, you know, them, you know, there's so many of us called we have met, we have a message to share. We have a clear sense of calling that we're here to do something important at this moment in history. And, um, and I think we have a lot of, I call them cats. You know, I was like, there's, there's dogs and there's cats. And it's, it's hard to herd the cats. We're independent. And we like doing it our way, but what if we could have a little more of a pack mentality and what if we could look out for each other and support each other and make the road a little easier for each other? I think we could do a whole lot more together than any, not our own.
Speaker 1 00:41:56 I agree. I think it really moves us from, um, the mindset of reacting, right? Where something happens and we react. And, and really when we're reacting, we're just responding to an event based on previous experiences and previous learned responses that are simply embedded in us. And when we get together and do something like this, that's when we start what I call or used to refer to when I was coaching as new acting, because now we get to choose our response based on what we imagine and what we want and what that vision that we're holding for ourselves.
Speaker 2 00:42:33 I love that. I love that. And I love, you know, with what if upping, we create so many possibilities that we could take ourselves down. In fact, that's something that I do sometimes with the, with people when they're having to make a decision. And it's like, okay, well, both of these look good. So, well, what if we could see the best case scenario for, if I go down this path and what if I see the best case scenario, if I go down that path and then, you know, there's just choosing which, you know, I have all these different options in front of me and now I get to choose which one do. And there's no, there's no wrong answer. There's just the one that feels right in this place since then.
Speaker 1 00:43:06 There's no wrong answer. Which one do I choose? They're both. Right. I just want to touch back on something else that we, we were talking about, um, is that idea of letting go and surrendering, it's a real fine line between surrendering to what is and giving up.
Speaker 2 00:43:31 What do you think
Speaker 1 00:43:32 Think is the key component that, you know, helps you navigate that so that you are surrendering and letting go, but you're not actually giving up.
Speaker 2 00:43:42 Yeah. That is such a great question. You know, I think we have, some of us have a lot of clarity on what we want. Some of us that's what we want is that kind of clarity. Um, and I think to me, letting go is different than quitting. Letting go is letting go of resistance. It's letting go of the idea that it has to be hard, is letting go of the, how, you know, it has to look this way. This is the way to do it. It's letting go of, um, the struggle. You know, that to me, that's what letting go is like, you know what? I still have this desire. I still have this vision, this dream. Um, we don't have to quit on that. Quitting to me is when you say, well, nevermind, that thing is for somebody else. You know, it was like Martin Luther King didn't quit on his dream, even though he didn't, he didn't get to that mountaintop, but he kept dreaming it.
Speaker 2 00:44:36 He never gave up on his dream. And I think we can hold the vision. Like what is, what is it that we want in our relationships, in our families, in our communities, in our, in our nation, like what are the things that we want that we hold dear to us and not to quit, you know, not to quit on those things that, that we see as being important, those things that align with our values. Um, and also at the same time to let go of the how, because sometimes we have this old vision of the how, and we've seen this in 20, 20 more than any other year is, um, the, how for us has completely changed, like everything that we used to know how to do, we've had to learn how to do it differently. And there's a billion ways to get to the house. And if we get stuck in one house, I found this for myself. I was trying to do something in a particular way. And with, you know, not being able to meet in person, not being able to be on the road, not being able to do keynotes and speeches and workshops, uh, suddenly all the house that I've been trying so hard to, you know, put into motion. It's like the universe just gave me the easier way. Like I'm here in my living room,
Speaker 1 00:45:46 Right.
Speaker 2 00:45:48 With all the people that love your podcast and all the people that, that are, what if uppers that found your podcast, you know, because I'm sharing it because we're working together. Um, I think, uh, yeah, it's just letting go of the resistance is very different than quitting quitting when it comes to the dream.
Speaker 1 00:46:05 Yes. Oh, I like that distinction quite a bit. Just recognizing that it's the, how that you're letting go of. It's not the whole thing. You're still keeping in mind where you want to go in the direction you want to take, but you are letting go of the path that you're going to take to get there.
Speaker 2 00:46:24 Right. And sometimes it's letting go of the struggle. I know one of my best strategies when I'm feeling like I'm at the end is, you know, go play with the dogs, go take a walk, step away, step away and give it some space because the space will reveal the next time.
Speaker 1 00:46:39 So true. And I do that with the handwriting analysis all the time I put them up and I look at them and then I walk away and I look at them again and always give myself that space because you'll see something different as it sinks into your psyche. And I think that works with almost everything is you got to give yourself that space to absorb.
Speaker 2 00:46:59 And I always say, you know, if we can, if we can come make those decisions from a place of alignment, I know I had a, you know, I think many of us have had our 20, 20 meltdowns. I had my 2020 meltdown at a month or so ago where I was just so frustrated. I'm like, Oh, I see it so clearly. And I want it so badly. And I had just hit another dead end and hit another dead end and hit it. And in the frustration of it, what, what was clear to me was the desire. The desire became more clear because of the frustration. I also knew when I'm feeling the frustration, that is not the time to take action. So I could appreciate the clarity that the meltdown gave me. The frustration gave me and time for a break. And sure enough, you know, I take a break. I like, I'm going to take some time off. I'm going to go take a walk. I'm going to go outside, spend some time in nature, you know, all those types of things. And it all works out. Then, you know, the next piece, it just, the next piece wasn't there yet. So sometimes it's just stepping aside and allowing ourselves, I call it congruence, allowing us to be congruent. Um, our mind body, you know, our actions all congruent with what it is we want to create.
Speaker 1 00:48:05 That is so beautiful. I just love that because I think sometimes we get into that mindset that we have to go, go, go, go. And then we're pushing. And we're efforting so much when what we really need to do is just breathe,
Speaker 2 00:48:19 Right? Yeah. This whole idea of taking one day off every seven days, The rest every now and then, and I can, I can get so enthusiastic and, you know, so driven that sometimes I, I forget to give myself that space. If we get tuned into our emotions, our emotions will let us know. Okay. It's time. It's time to get back.
Speaker 1 00:48:45 Yes, absolutely. When you start feeling less than joy and less than enthusiasm about something that, you know, brings you enthusiasm and joy it's assigned.
Speaker 2 00:48:54 Absolutely.
Speaker 1 00:48:56 Hmm. So in your journey so far, you've been doing this. What if up for 20 years in your journey so far, what are you most proud of?
Speaker 2 00:49:04 Oh, wow. What a question that is. No, that I've ever had anybody ask me that I think, you know, the first thing that comes to mind is, you know, is the stories like yours. I mean, like what you just shared is knowing that, you know, people are having these transformational experiences that people are, you know, I had a woman who had, she was going through, um, stage two cancer treatments with two other women going through the same thing. She got my book. And then a month later, the two other women both passed away within a week of each other. And she had just read the book and she said, you know, what, if all those things on my bucket list, you know, what if I don't put that off anymore? You know, cause the, what if down is, what if I don't have another chance, but the, what if was I can do this now I will.
Speaker 2 00:49:51 You know? And so she started training and she wanted to walk the Camino in, uh, in Spain. And so she started training and within six months she was, you know, in Europe, you know, doing a sacred pilgrimage across Europe. And, and then she went down to, I don't think she went to Africa and she slept in the desert and she wrote on camels and she sent me a Christmas. I mean, I, I don't know about these things unless people tell me. So she sent me a Christmas card that she had sent to her family that talked about how it all began with reading this book. What if it all goes right? And so when I hear people and I love, you know, our, our Facebook community is great for that. We're launching a 21 day challenge where I get to guide people through the process for 21 days.
Speaker 2 00:50:33 And I get to experience, or at least hear about the things that are showing up for people because they're using this, um, simple but profound, simple, but profound, true process for, um, just mobilizing our energy and building the momentum around positive thought. Super. So you mentioned the 21 day challenge. Let's talk about that, Mindy. Yeah. So this is something that has come about. Thank you. COVID, it's, um, it's an opportunity to, uh, work together for 21 straight days where every day there's a, a teaching and a lesson. And then we, the idea is this idea of, you know, you can go through and do this on your own. And it's great. And if you do this with others, there is that synergy, there is, there's a momentum. And, uh, you know, like we said, what you were more gathered, there is just, there is a presence and an energy there that accelerates the journey for us.
Speaker 2 00:51:30 So in taking things online, uh, we're doing a 21 day online challenge where we've got a Facebook group that's, uh, going through the challenge together. And every day, uh, almost every day, I'm doing a teaching from the ideas, that philosophy of what if it all goes right. And every week we network together. So there's a networking opportunity and there's a coaching opportunity. So it's, um, I know there's a lot of challenges out there and a lot of them are, you know, prerecorded, you know, teaching, teaching, teaching, and now, uh, you know, by the downloads type of stuff. But what I found is what makes, what if up work and what makes it different from everything else is that it does so much more when we are connected to each other. And when you can find people that are called to being difference makers in the world, they're called to, um, making a difference, positive change in their own life.
Speaker 2 00:52:30 And they want to use that positive change to make a positive difference beyond their own life. You know, when you can bring that group of people together, um, it's a powerful thing. And as we were going through this year and all of the challenges and all the seeming dead ends of this year and with election season coming up and who knows what fall brings in terms of COVID and all of these things that are still are still uncertainties and still out on the horizon and people that have lost jobs and people that have lost loved ones and people that have, you know, everything, everything has changed. It just seemed like now is the time for us to come together and to help each other through those dark nights and to help each other, you know, envision. And reinvision what we can create from this moment in history, because I know it's not going back. It's never going to go back to 2019 and the way it used to be, there's only going forward and it's a new that is we're blazing it together. So, uh, that's the idea with the team challenge?
Speaker 1 00:53:31 Um, you know, I really like what you just touched on there so briefly is that we're never going back to 2019, it's only going to be forward and it's going to be a new normal. And I think that's part of the power of this whole process is that it's really not based at all on what has happened. It is very forward focused saying from this moment, what can I do right now? And I think that's just so powerful. It's such a forward focus
Speaker 2 00:53:58 Tool to use well now is the only moment that we can create in suddenly and using all the wisdom and all the learnings and all the ahas. You know, we, I was just thinking the other day, you know, with labor day here, I was thinking about all the things that I'm able to have and to experience in my life because of those who've gone before me. And because of those, you know, as, as you look at, um, you know, when labor day I'm like labor day 2020 feels so different than any other labor day, because now I have this new awareness of how much I love my Amazon delivery guy, how much, you know, everything we're so interdependent and this year has made it so clear that we need each other. And that if we think we're doing it alone, we are kidding ourselves. We are so connected.
Speaker 2 00:54:49 And, um, it's easy to, I think, get into a silo, especially if, you know, you're trying to launch a new business or you've got an idea for a book or a podcast or anything like that. It's kind of easy to, you know, put our heads down and try to figure it out on our own. And when we do that, we miss the opportunity to collaborate together and to lift each other up and to learn together. I really feel like the new normal, the new success track for the future is those of us who are skilled at collaboration and, uh, have a heart of, you know, I have clarity on what I'm trying to create. And I also have a willingness and a generosity for wanting to help you create what you want to create and where there's overlap. We see it. But even if there's not that there is a, um, a willingness in a, and a joy in, uh, sharing resources and sharing ideas and sharing encouragement in those times when we need it, the most
Speaker 1 00:55:43 Absolutely supporting one another in sharing them on. Right.
Speaker 2 00:55:47 Absolutely. That's what it's about.
Speaker 1 00:55:49 So in the 21 day challenge, what kind of time commitment is it? Every day?
Speaker 2 00:55:53 Oh, great question. Well, it's, we do a Facebook live it's around half an hour and you can join me live, or you can not, if you want to watch in the art, it's all archived in our Facebook group. So you can binge watch on the weekend if you want to. Uh, but it's designed to every day, give us something to think about and something to do and something to challenge ourselves. Uh, the first part of the challenge is really about, you know, the mindset it's like, what can we conceive of? Do we have clarity on what we want to create? And can we communicate that clarity? And then once we have that clarity, then the second week we really go into congruence, like, am I feeling, do I believe it myself? Do I believe in myself? Do I believe that it's possible? Um, am I frustrated?
Speaker 2 00:56:34 Am I overwhelmed? Like those types of emotions? And if so, how do I go back to my imagination to reframe and reframe and reframe? So sort of going into that cycle of, you know, working with our mindset and then also mindfulness and being present and tapping into our wisdom so that we can get into, uh, the inspired action. And that's what we do in week three is we focus on, okay, what is mine to do? Whether you're trying to create a positive change in your own life and your relationships in your job situation, in your finances, whatever that might be, or I know we have lots of people who are entrepreneurs and they've got a calling and a gift that they want to bring to more people, or they have something they've been doing and they've been giving it away. And now they want to turn it into a business. Or I've got an idea for a book and what a perfect time to write that book. Uh, we have people who are with nonprofit organizations who are already very mission centric and purpose driven. And so this is just a way to, uh, encourage them and to bring us all together. And this is what I love about the challenge, which I think is so different than anything else I've seen is it really brings us together to connect and to know each other and to support each other and to share resources
Speaker 1 00:57:45 So exciting. I know that I'm definitely in for it. I'll be joining that challenge and Mindy, of course, you're going to be doing the instructor. And you said once a week, it's where we get together as a group.
Speaker 2 00:57:58 Yeah. We have a networking product, a little networking event that we do once a week. And it's, again, none of it's required. Um, but we talk about, you know, when you are in a group of people, you know, I've been to networking events where it just feels kinda slimy. Like you walk in the room and it feels like everybody is like, Ooh, new potential client. And they'll jump on you and try to sell you stuff. And that's not really the new paradigm it's like, so it's, how do you communicate clearly what you want and what you need. And then also go into a relationship or a networking event with first and foremost, the intent to give to other people, because go with the intent first to be a resource. And whether that resource is a networking connection, or here's a book I read, or a course I took, or, you know, something very tangible, or maybe that resource that I'm sharing with you, his encouragement, his enthusiasm for what you're doing.
Speaker 2 00:59:00 If we go into relationships first with that mindset, I am here to support you when you're in a community where everybody has that mindset, everybody gets taken care of. So there's the two pieces of that going in with the intent first to take care of and to serve and to contribute to others. And second, to have the clarity on what I'm creating in my life. So when someone wants to serve me in that way, that there's a receptivity to it. So I'm not just a giver giver giver that doesn't ever allow anyone to give to me that we step into feel so delicious. We step into this flow of giving and receiving and giving and receiving, and that feels really good. So that's what we teach in the channel. And that's what we experienced in the challenge together is a chance to engage with each other that way.
Speaker 1 00:59:50 And that's such an important part, both sides of that, right? The whole giving and receiving some people really struggle with that part of it too.
Speaker 2 01:00:00 Yeah. Yeah. So I, I'm so excited to have you there and I want to invite all of your listeners. Anyone wants to join if you're a listener of this podcast, this is, this is my special invitation, because I know if you're listening to this podcast right now that your mom kind of people. So, um, we set up as a
[email protected] slash T letter T party. And for everyone that's tuned into this podcast and listening to this, you can get a discount on the challenge. And we would love to have you jump on board and hang out with us. And I don't know, maybe, maybe even get like a before and after handwriting analysis.
Speaker 1 01:00:40 I think that would be so much fun. I really liked that idea.
Speaker 2 01:00:44 And they one versus day 21, like
Speaker 1 01:00:48 It would be a lot of fun. And just thank you so much for offering the discount to my listeners, that they can go to your website and just click on the tea party link, and they can get registered and get a discount and what a beautiful offer. And I just am so excited to be joining you. And when does it start again? It starts
Speaker 2 01:01:05 The arts. Um, this one starts, the next one started September 14th. So it's pretty quick, but you can go to that link. And, you know, if, if someone's listening to this and it's like, Oh man, September has come and gone. I'm still to click on the link. Cause we may, you know, we were piloting it. This sentence is actually our first one. And, uh, the hope and the intent is that we have so much fun. We want to do it again.
Speaker 1 01:01:29 Yeah. And I'm sure we are. I just think it's going to be a blast. I know that you, with your energy and your enthusiasm and that little hint of humor, how can it not be fun?
Speaker 2 01:01:38 Well, absolutely. And I tell you the more the merrier. So, uh, I think when we can come together with people where we do feel like there's, we're kindred spirits, that if, even if there was nothing else, we got all kinds of things planned. But even if there was nothing else, just the people that we get to connect with.
Speaker 1 01:01:55 Exactly. Just making that connection. Right. So important right now. Yeah. So how can people stay in touch with you, Mindy, if they want to find out more about what if, or just maybe follow you for a bit before they commit to anything?
Speaker 2 01:02:07 Well, I would love that. So my website is what if up.com? So you can go there. We have a Facebook group at facebook.com/groups/what if ups? So you can join that if you'd like
Speaker 1 01:02:20 To. And, uh, and of course you had joined the challenge. It, uh, what if.com/tea party and that also when people sign up for the challenge, they also get my ebook for what if it all goes right? And some other digital foodies as well. So if you haven't read, what, if it all goes right yet you can purchase it online or on Amazon or wherever. Um, but if you do the challenge it's included as part of the challenge. Oh, wonderful. That's delightful. Yeah. So I think Mindy, we're going to wrap up and I'm just kinda curious if you could name this episode. Oh my gosh, what would you call it? Possibility tea party. There you go. Possibility party. I like it. That's wonderful. Thank you so much for joining me today. It was a lot of fun talking to you about what if upping about the 21 day challenge and of course, looking at your very, your variety of teas and the versatility
Speaker 0 01:03:15 We see in there. Well, thank you for having me. Thanks for the invitation and everyone who's been joining us and tuning in this has been so much fun. It has, and I will see you. I will see you Monday
Speaker 1 01:03:28 For sure. In the 21 day challenge
Speaker 0 01:03:30 Can hopefully we'll see some of my listeners, my listeners as well. Fantastic. Thanks for listening. If you're wanting to hear more from Theresa and our guests, be sure to subscribe on the platform of your choice. Follow her on
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