Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:03 Welcome, pull up a chair. Feel your mug. Get comfy. Join us at the table for the most unusual tea party. Here's your host and graph ologist Theresa April.
Speaker 1 00:00:18 Welcome everybody. And thank you for joining us today for our most unusual tea party. I'm Teresa Avram, a handwriting analyst and graph ologists. I've got my mug on hand filled with something mysterious, but you're not going to find out what it is for about another 20 minutes or so. Our guest today is Allie kennel, founder of resume free here in Edmonton, Alberta. How are you doing today? I am wonderful. Thank you for asking. Can you just tell us a little bit about what resume free is? Yeah, so resume free is an online screening tool that gets rid of the guesswork. When it comes to recruiting, we provide the top five candidates to employers based on the key metrics that they've chosen for their roles. And by using data computing and behavioral sciences, we're actually able to get the best hires based on accurate and objective data.
Speaker 1 00:01:14 So basically we're cheating the system, giving you as many data points as possible to get you the top talent without using a resume. So if you're not using a resume, how do you get the information? We do a profile and then an assessment. So we ask people the important questions, like how much do you want to make? Where do you want to work? How many hours are you willing to work and pieces of information like that? And then we do an online behavioral assessment that actually goes over the top traits that people, uh, are interested in. So we stack and rank traits over 175 of them for our employers and our candidates to match. And you know, that's such an important part of it is that objectivity. Yeah. I've been a recruiter for over 19 years and I can say to you that there's really a, it's a subjective mess when it comes to recruiting and everybody's got their own process and own own theory around what's what works and what doesn't work.
Speaker 1 00:02:10 And so taking my analytical brain, I wanted to put some real metrics and some real data for people and Pence resume free. And I knew that, you know, as we move through 2020 here, the job landscape is changing so dramatically. So loosely. Yeah. Great. And the, and the way that people hire, it's got an adapt to. And the big thing is we're going to see a larger candidates market. So there's going to be ma many more people that are fighting for the same roles. And so how do you choose the best person and how do you know you've chosen the best person? I think for me, it may be, this is for other recruiters as well. I lose sleep at night over the people that I turned down for the role versus the ones that actually got it, because you never know, or there's not enough data to make the right decision based on a resume itself.
Speaker 2 00:03:00 You know, that's exactly why I do what I do. And as many little pieces of data that you can get an insight you can get into how somebody works and how they think is, is crucial when it comes to the world of work, getting the right people in the right seats at the right time is so important. Exactly. Right. And it comes down to, can you get to them first before the really good talent is snapped up by somebody else?
Speaker 1 00:03:20 Aye. There's the rub. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:03:23 Well, I mean, I think we could probably talk about this. Yes. I'm ready to tell you what tails your tea towels. Hey, I'm excited. And I just want to remind the listeners that I really don't personally know my guests before inviting them onto the show. I have done a zoom, um, get together with Allie. And that is how I was introduced to her, but I really don't know very much about her. I don't do any research on them prior to actually bringing them on the show because I want their handwriting to tell me what it is that I know. And then as we move through the show, we're going to see is that supported or not? Wow. So for more about that process, just be sure to check out season one episode, one of the podcast. So you're ready. I am so ready for this.
Speaker 2 00:04:11 Well, your teas are most interested in it's really story of two teams because you have the T's that you do when you're printing. And then you have the teas that you do when you're writing. You did let me know that you're not a fan of writing and it does show in your hand, your handwritten teas are absolutely delightful, but I'm going to save that. And I'm going to tell you about that at the end. Okay. We're going to look first at the printed T's cause that's the one you're most comfortable with. That's the one that usually people see your printed tees are very controlled. They're very precise. It's very copy book. Okay. Interesting is because really that tells me that your conventional, you like your privacy, you don't really let a lot of people in you're selective about who you're going to let see you. And it's very analytical. It's something with somebody who uses data a lot. That's a trait we're going to see to make it the same over and over and over and over again. Wow. Okay. All right. So that's what your printed T tells us that you're selective about who you let into your private life that you're analytical and a little bit conservative. Does that sound like you and a little bit, yeah, I would say I wouldn't say I'm so super conservative. I do keep my, my friend circles tight and close.
Speaker 1 00:05:42 Aye. Aye.
Speaker 2 00:05:47 Oh, that's sad. I'm always make time for what's important to yeah. For controlled piece. I would say that. Um, definitely. I like to have things kind of in order and
Speaker 1 00:05:58 Being pro pragmatic is one of my, my go tos when everything else is kind of, you know, there's no definitive, let me, let me write out my list that we do my things. Let me put it into books and have everything organized out. So that's very curious to me
Speaker 2 00:06:14 And conservatism can show up in different ways too. Right? Okay. Sometimes it is just about, I am who I am and I can believe in different things and I can do different things, but it doesn't mean that I am going to showcase it to the world. Right. If you're conservative in your demeanor, it means that you're a little bit more reserved, reserved. Oh, thank you. That's the word that you like to do things in a way that's tried and true, which is rather ironic given what you actually are doing.
Speaker 1 00:06:43 Yeah. Very disruptive work, but I'm bringing it back to the data so I could see it being very like, well, it, you know, prove it, it doesn't exist unless there's data to back it up showing the facts, man. Right, exactly. Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 2 00:06:59 There's not a lot to work with. You don't give a lot away in your printing, but then we get to your cursive writing. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:07:06 Oh, dead. Dead. Duh.
Speaker 2 00:07:08 Filled me with delight. When I saw it, there are a couple of things in there that are quite distinctive. Okay. One of them is that the teeth STEM Heights, like there's only two parts of a T you have your STEM and you have the crossbar. Okay. Two strokes. That's all, there is the STEM of your T is moderately tall. Meaning that it's about twice the height of any of your middle zone letters, which are like your, E's your, A's your owes, your ENS. It's about twice their height, which is really positive. That's a really good thing to see because it shows us that you do have a good self image and you're independent.
Speaker 1 00:07:44 Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 00:07:46 Yeah. That independent thing it's actually reinforced by your eye, the way that you do your eyes, just a single line. And that is only done by people who are standing on their own two feet. They're not writing on anybody's coattails. Wow. So you've got the independence thing in Spain.
Speaker 1 00:08:01 Yes. Yeah. Maybe it has something to do with being an entrepreneur for the last three years.
Speaker 2 00:08:08 It's funny how these things show up. Isn't it? Absolutely. The last thing that I want to tell you about your tea, that is, that has me rubbing my hands. That when you do the crossbar on your cursive writing teas, you put it near the top and it's a little longer. Yes. There's a little more enthusiasm. There they go a little bit further. And that is absolutely delightful. It's something that is seen in handwriting of people who are visionaries. If you look at like JFK is handwriting, as soon as I saw yours, I'm like, that's a JFK T Oh my gosh. Yeah. It's a really exciting trait to have in your handwriting. And it just shows that you are a visionary it's shows that you can see possibilities for tomorrow and because your crossbars are still attached to your STEM, they're not floating in the air, which sometimes people put them, Oh, here's are still attached. And that means you still have your feet on the ground, your dreams, your visions still based on reality. Wow. I can say pretty exciting teas.
Speaker 1 00:09:09 Yeah. That's incredible. And you can get all of that from just my team.
Speaker 2 00:09:14 Yeah. And the independence thing was the combination with your T and that single stroke. I, yeah,
Speaker 1 00:09:20 I'm sorry, but I just don't have time to put a base at a top on that. Like, you know what, I'm, you know, whatever, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:09:26 Yes. I do. I probably know more about what you're writing than you did probably. Yeah, absolutely. So how do you feel about the story that your team tells that
Speaker 1 00:09:36 It's incredible. I think from the, just from the different dichotomy of which ones like the printed and the handwritten one, like printing is I got to get this done. It's just going it's, you know, do almost typewriter, which makes sense to me being like, it's the same. It doesn't really give much it's, you know, here it is, you shall not go outside these parameters. And then to have my T's being and looking back
Speaker 2 00:10:02 How I do write my teas there, they, you know, if it's the word that the T's
Speaker 1 00:10:07 Almost connect to, it's such a large bar on them, which is hilarious. I didn't think that you could get that much out of like who I am
Speaker 2 00:10:16 A person from one letter.
Speaker 1 00:10:18 Sure. But yeah, I am a visionary. I started two companies in the last three years. Both of them based on ideas
Speaker 2 00:10:25 Is that there is a better way to do things
Speaker 1 00:10:27 And I'm going to prove it. And so just having that kind of visionary, um, mentality and, and innovation out there is something that I didn't think I had before. And yet, and yet there it is. It's always been there.
Speaker 2 00:10:42 It would be really interesting because our handwriting changes, then it evolves. Right. If you look back at the handwriting that you had when you were 18, you'll recognize it, but it's no longer yours handwriting
Speaker 1 00:10:53 From when I was in, in high school. I journal. So yeah. I just saw your eyes go really big. There,
Speaker 2 00:11:03 It's an interesting thing just to track it once, you know what you're looking at, something like that, where you say you didn't really think that you were a visionary, that you didn't have it in. You, you could go back and see, when do I start making my T's like, Oh, well that's going to be a summer project. For sure. That's like, that's incredible. That's incredible to me just because it's
Speaker 1 00:11:26 Something that I feel like it could be subjective, but obviously there's enough information and enough comparisons out there to make it more objective. And like here's, here's what,
Speaker 2 00:11:39 Yeah. And, Oh, actually that's a really good point that you brought up Allie, there is a big debate about whether graphology is a science or is it an art? Could it be both? Yeah. It's a softer science because there is the stuff from research that shows, if you have this, you're going to have this. It's very cut and dry in that. There's also the subjectivity part, right? It is me being it. And just like, you might go to two doctors and one doctor was going to say one thing and another doctor will say something else. Cause they see two different things. So there is an element of subjectivity that we can't get around. Sure. But there's subjectiveness and every role, you better believe it.
Speaker 1 00:12:18 Oh yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 00:12:20 No longer can really rely on eye witnesses. Right. Because they see what they want to see. They see what they think they see
Speaker 1 00:12:26 Exactly. Well deep. This has got really deep. Thank you. That was incredible.
Speaker 2 00:12:34 So now we know you're a visionary. Yes. You're on the ground. What is it that inspires you?
Speaker 1 00:12:40 Inspiration comes from many different sources, but I think the biggest one is my family and I'll dive a little bit deeper into that. So I was kind of humming along in life and just, you know, going through the motions, going to work, coming home, that kind of thing. And you know, had my one hobby or two hobbies that I did outside of outside of work. And you know, it was just that. And I thought, Oh, this kind of sucks. It's whatever keep going forward. Um, and then my dad became really sick and he unfortunately passed away and it was in a very, very fast and furious type of scenario. And I think that at that time it became almost crystal clear to me that we only have a finite amount of time. And so if you aren't being 100% satisfied with what's going on, fix it, that's it. And so I kind of, you know, after his passing, I did some searching and thought, what do I really want to do? And recognizing that I could be in HR. So my background is HR and recruitment. I could be an HR and it didn't have to be in these giant conglomerates. I could go into a smaller corporation, have a bigger impact. And so that's what I did. And, and what changes can I make that leave everybody a little bit better?
Speaker 1 00:14:01 And so, you know, I'd go in kind of with the vision of what I wanted to put into the workspace that I had. So like processes and things like that. And then I got to the point where I said, you know, I'm frustrated all the time. What is it? That's making me frustrated. And again, it was the, my, I can do things better. I can make things better and I'm not able to under somebody else's guidance or somebody else's box. And so I was like, forget it. I'm going to make my own box. And that's when I started out on my own. And since that time, since I went from corporate to entrepreneurial and consultant, everything shifted, the inspiration came from a dark place, but it kind of guides me every day that like, do what you love, do what you can with the time you have.
Speaker 1 00:14:48 And if you don't like something, fix it, just fix it. Absolutely wonderful legacy that your father left you. He did. And, and he was a tremendous man. Like he had his own business, he was a real estate broker. He was very intellectual and he'd used these large words that I'd have to go home and like, look it up and like, how do you spell that again? But he really did teach me a lot about monitoring the lens that we're on number one. And I respect that. And then number two, it was okay, how are you going to make things better where don't live in today, live in where your future is going to be. And I think that knowing that individuals don't get that opportunity to have somebody like him, that kind of pushed you forward, even though you don't know you're being pushed forward, just looking back at it, like, okay, yeah, he was doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 00:15:43 And you know, I mean, my mom has something to do with that as well. But you know, I actually have a tattoo on my wrist from my father and his hand writing to remind me that he's guiding me. And that's the thing it's like often when we see handwriting, it is so distinctive to people. We recognize people and it brings them back. It isn't handwriting. Yeah. And the funny thing is his brother, my uncle, after my father passed away, my uncle would come and check in on us and he's out from the coast. And he wrote me a note one day, he's looking at just going out for a walk and he's like, Allie. And it was almost identical to this almost identical. And it kind of like he's here in presence, but not really because everybody's handwriting is unique, but anyway, I digress. This is a good degression because my handwriting is unique to everybody, but you're going to see similar traits and families because families have similar traits and personalities. Right. He's an applaud. Yeah, absolutely. It was shocking to see, but it was also like my family. Yeah. Oh, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1 00:16:52 We know that it was your, you know, a dark period of time that has really got you to where you are at that that pulls you forward every day. What would you say if you look back, was there a failure in your life that maybe taught you that there is a better way of doing something and you're going to find it when key failure, there's lots of different things that, you know, kind of compound into the changes over like the micro changes that we make. One big failure that I could focus on is it's not a failure. It is a learned, learned things that I am not cut out to learn other people's theorem. Ah, Oh, I like that. And so my biggest thing is that I can learn where they come from. I can learn what, how they've done things, you know, and I've in, in my experience, I've seen a lot of people not apply schooling appropriately. Yes. Um, number one, and number two is not everybody learns the same way. And so for me, like if it's important, then I'll learn it and I'll take it and I'll, I'll encompass it. But if it's not important goes to the back of my brain, I'm sure we've all done calculus before. Have you used calculus?
Speaker 2 00:18:08 I hear what you're saying. Right. I think that's a big part of education is even completing it. That's great to complete it. And it's wonderful. But then what do you use it for, uh, you know, are you using it to make the world a better place or is it just kind of being forgotten about or misused? And then you take a look at, you know,
Speaker 1 00:18:27 Seven people come from the same course or same program. These seven people have the same exact credentials, same GPA. They get out into the world of work and three of them Excel and four of them don't what's difference.
Speaker 2 00:18:41 You better believe it's those traits that you cannot tell from a degree, which is what you focus on. And it's what handwriting. Exactly. So yeah,
Speaker 1 00:18:49 I value lifelong learning. It is a value of mine. I try and soak up as many core Sarah's as I can going through things. If there's something that I'm not, I don't know how to do. Like, I learned how to do DNS. I learned how to do coding. I learned how to go into an Azure directory and that stuff
Speaker 2 00:19:06 I asked her five years ago, I'd be like, what are you talking about? But it's something that's important to me.
Speaker 1 00:19:13 I need to understand it. And so that's where you get into it, right?
Speaker 2 00:19:19 Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's really interesting as you talk about that, and it's so clear that there really are two pieces to you. You do have that scientific side, right. That can absorb that. And then you really do have, you are an HR, you are about humans. You are about how do we make this world a better place. It really is the two pieces of you and your printing versus your cursive are like show that they show it. So I just think that's so fascinating how, as you know, as I learned more about you, how that is just so perfect for what you gave me.
Speaker 1 00:19:50 Yeah. That's incredible.
Speaker 2 00:19:52 If you could give out a tip to everybody saying, this is what you need to do to have the best life possible, what would you tell people?
Speaker 1 00:20:01 Very, very heavy question. But the one thing that I would say, and this is might be a little bit dark as well. Love everybody as if it's the last time you're going to see them. And so that kind of stems from not only like my personal life with my family, but my spouse is a first responder. And so in an emergency family, you never know what you're going to get. And so when you start to focus on loving people, like it's the last time you're going to see them, right?
Speaker 2 00:20:32 You'll see deeper relationships for him
Speaker 1 00:20:35 Because you understand that it's you have to give it all. It's no 50%. It's no 20%. It's a hundred percent focus on them. And I think that if everybody, their energy onto
Speaker 2 00:20:48 Things that are important to them, so love into what's important to you, then you're going to, you're going to fix it. Don't, it's so true because we are what we put our attention on. Absolutely. If you're focusing your attention and saying, no, I'm going to love this person. You don't have room for the other staff. Exactly. You can't be nitpicking about the fact their socks are on the ground or something like that because you're too busy, loving the person that they are. And that to me is just so bizarre. Like, don't get me wrong, I suppose. And I have like, Oh, dishwasher, ah, um, but there's is it worth it? What Hill do you want to die on for that kind of stuff? Right. And like, we're, we're all humans, but at the same time, like focus your energy into being positive. Um, but then that also stems into like, if you're doing something that you love, you give your energy as best you can time.
Speaker 2 00:21:37 And then also recognizing that if you're, if you can't give all your energy, then come back and fill up your couple a little bit and then go back into it. And that's kind of, my motto for things is just, you know, love with it as much as you can. And then when your bucket's empty, fill it, however you fill it and then go and spread it again. Love when you can. And if you're starting to feel like you can't take the time to refill refresh, recharge, and go back out and love again. Absolutely. That is beautiful. We need more love in this world. You have to love all of it, right? Not just the good anybody. It's easy for anybody to love. The good you have to love the good and absolutely the knots. Absolutely. Yep. All right. All right. So I think we are ready to wrap up. Thank you so much, Allie, for joining us today on a most unusual party in my mug, I am drinking a tea, a golden tip tea from sear link that is extraordinarily mellow and delicious. I don't actually have tea in my mug. So for those playing the home game, this is Canada day and it's a day off. And so I have a nude FOD, Kasota. That's kind of a raspberry, it's still half full. So I'm taking great. Well, let's get this party started. Awesome. And we'll choose to that. Sorry.
Speaker 0 00:23:00 Thanks so much. Thank you. Thanks for listening. If you're wanting to hear more from Theresa and her guests, be sure to subscribe on the platform of your choice. Follow her on Instagram at handwriting underscore pie.
Speaker 2 00:23:16 If you wish to find out more about Allie kennel and resume for you can contact her at Allie, a L L a yeah. Go resume free.com or follow her on Instagram at go resume free.
