Speaker 0 00:00:03 Welcome, pull up a chair. Feel your mug. Get comfy. Join us at the table for the most unusual tea party. Here's your host and graph ologist Theresa April.
Speaker 1 00:00:17 Welcome and thank you for joining us today for a most unusual tea party. I'm Teresa Abrams, a handwriting analyst, and graphologist, I've got my mug at hand, but what's inside of it. You're not going to find out for another 20 minutes or so. Our guest today from the career studio in New Jersey is Chelsea Joffrey. Welcome Chelsea, how are you doing today? Good. Thanks for having me here. Thank you for joining me. What is it that the career studio and you is all about? So I'm a workforce development professional, so I help folks become career ready and co career competitive. I decided that I wanted to do this as a passion project, but helping folks, you know, with all in all different aspects of their career, whether it's a career transition, you know, resume writing, anything like that, I'm just, I find it really interesting and I'm very passionate about it.
Speaker 1 00:01:12 And so that's why I created the career studio. Hmm. Beautiful. I love that. Is there anyone in particular that you really enjoy working with? I love working with young adults who are not exactly sure what they want to do. And so we can work on different, like different testing where we can see what, where their interest lies and what they're passionate about, what they're good at, and then kind of see where we can, how we can make that into a career, but also a young adults who don't have any experience working. And so they really need to develop their life skills as well as professional skills. I love just being there with them on that journey, helping them along the way. And then also those transitioning into a new, a new phase or a new career and helping them through that. So new beginnings is, seems to be a pretty common theme there for you, definitely.
Speaker 1 00:02:10 Oh, that's very cool. Well, Chelsea, are you ready to see what your T tells me from the handwriting sample you gave me? I'm looking forward to this for awhile, right? How much about graphology or a handwriting analysis? I don't know anything. Ooh, well you are in for a treat them. So I just want to remind everybody that I don't personally know my guests before inviting them onto the show. I do leave it to their handwriting to tell me what it is that I need to know for more about that process. You can check out season one, episode one, and I go into more of what they provide me. So Chelsea what's most unusual about your teas is the convex shape of at least three of your tea bars. Now in handwriting analysis, there are only certain times that we're going to make a deduction based on something we see in the handwriting
Speaker 2 00:03:00 That happens only once. Usually we want to see it repeated at least three times, or we're going to see another trade in the handwriting that supports that deduction. So your convex T-bar happens more than three times. And what that means is that you have self control and you know how to use it. And I can say this actually with a great deal of certainty, because not only do you have at least three of those convex T bars, you also show control and organization and precision throughout your penmanship. And what that means is you have a very consistent baseline. You have no exaggerated formations, actually, rather the opposite is true for your handwriting and that you keep the structure very simplified. There's no entangled lines and you have a, what we call a vertical slaps. So you write basically up and down, it doesn't lean to the left and it doesn't lean to the right. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 1 00:03:53 It does say I do have a lot of self control with most things actually like organizing and planning stuff. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:04:04 Now another unusual trade in your tea is the short tea STEM. Okay. So remember there's only two strokes in making a T right? We have the STEM, which was up and down and you have the T bar crossing and your T STEM is very, very short. Especially if you look at like you separated out into line one, and then you did it again. And you said two, if you look at that second one, those are very short T stems. They're pretty much the same height as like your, Oh, and you're a they're, they're not a lot larger. Now what that means is that you're an independent thinker. And you like to March to the beat of your own drum.
Speaker 1 00:04:46 Interesting. I would say yes. Yeah. I agree with that. And I think my mom would say the same thing when I was little, I never played with kids. I mean, I had friends, but whenever there was a party, I would always sitting with the adults, like trying to try to figure everything out. Yep. That's that's actually, yeah. That's pretty accurate. Hmm. Interesting.
Speaker 2 00:05:11 Yeah. So it is, it's very interesting that you automatically, and again, it's that independent thinking, it's marching to your own drum, right? It's like, no, I'm going to do what I want to do. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 1 00:05:21 What somebody else think about it. Yeah. Pretty accurate. Yes.
Speaker 2 00:05:25 The thing that I noticed is that, well, from the writing end that shorter T STEM, it also shows us that you do like having people around you, but you want to be in charge of your environment and you want to make your own decisions and you really don't want somebody breathing down your neck telling you what to do.
Speaker 1 00:05:41 Check. Yup. Yes. I would say I'm very extroverted. I love having friends and family over. It's been very difficult right now, given everything, you know, I love, I love hosting parties at my house. I love having people over, but I'm very much a control with a lot of different things. Especially party planning. I like to have things a certain way. I like think style a certain way. So yeah. Pretty accurate.
Speaker 2 00:06:09 Oh, I'm so glad you said the control freak part. Cause I'm like, Hmm. How do I tactfully say
Speaker 1 00:06:14 It is what it is?
Speaker 2 00:06:18 So a good reminder for me that sometimes it just is what it is. Alright, thank you. When I saw your handwriting out of all of the different ones that I had for this season, yours was the most interesting. It was certainly the most challenging as I looked at it. And it's like, Hm, this is, there's a lot of interesting traits in here that I don't often see. Really. Yes. And I think one of it was one of it is the most unusual aspect of your tea is that some of your teas look like plus signs and in particular there's one where it says two right of time too. It's like in the last line that you printed, that looks like a plus sign. If we pulled that out of the sentence, we would not know if that said to, if we that said plus zero, if that was positive, Oh, we wouldn't know the context of that letter.
Speaker 2 00:07:12 And it can mean one of two things. So the first thing can mean that you have an aptitude for like mathematics or science or anything to do with numbers and data, because what happens is we often see when you have a natural aptitude for something, it starts to show up in your handwriting in a very creative and unique way. For example, there's people who are musically talented and they sometimes start having letters that look like music notes, and you might start seeing like trouble claps. And if you look at the gestalt of their writing, which is like the overall picture of it, it can start to look like notes dancing across and you can even take it to the extreme Liberace. And his signature actually has a baby grand piano.
Speaker 1 00:08:00 Oh, wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:08:01 Yeah. So we can see that, you know, if you have a natural, uh, affinity or an ability for something, it can show up in your handwriting. So that's one possibility is that you are good with numbers. The other possibility is that you're trying to trick me and that this really isn't your natural handwriting.
Speaker 1 00:08:21 No, definitely not trying to trick you, but I'm also not good at math now. That is fascinating. I rush through I'm writing a lot of the times. Cause I type things off. Like I type mostly now. So when I write things, it's usually cause I have to quickly jot something down. Yeah. And I think, I don't know that's so I don't even, I'm not even aware of that. I'm I would say I'm very analytical. I don't, I'm good with finances, but like regular things like that, like basic math, science. I'm not the strongest. I'm not bad, but it's not my natural ability.
Speaker 2 00:09:01 Right. But you are good with finances, which is good with money.
Speaker 1 00:09:03 Hmm. Interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:09:06 Finances is your numbers. It's your positives. It's your negatives. That's mad.
Speaker 1 00:09:10 Very true. I learned in school, but yes,
Speaker 2 00:09:13 No, no, no. Right. And that's okay. It's not the math you learn in school, but finances is still math. Absolutely. And you know, I didn't figure it was, you were trying to trick me when there is a letter that if you pulled it out of context and you can't tell what it is, that's what we call them. We call them tricksters. And that's where looking at the rest of your writing. I wouldn't think that's you, because all of the rest of your writing shows me that you were very open, organized, precise, and you are a clear and direct communicator.
Speaker 1 00:09:45 I don't think
Speaker 2 00:09:48 I just wanted to get the adrenaline going for you.
Speaker 1 00:09:51 Yeah. So it was like, where's this going to take me?
Speaker 2 00:09:57 There is one to find a melt though. Have you ever wondered what your signature is communicating to people?
Speaker 1 00:10:03 Yes. I never liked my signature. It was always kind of the one that I always just had. You know, I can't ever change it now.
Speaker 2 00:10:12 Uh, you can always paint everything you want.
Speaker 1 00:10:14 It's built into me now because I'm just so used to seeing it. So
Speaker 2 00:10:19 You can always change it. Your handwriting does evolve as you evolve and change. And if you don't like your handwriting or your signature, you can actually change it and just practice it. What I found really interesting about your signature is that all of your writing shows that you have self control. You're clear and you're a direct communicator, but in your signature, you practically like obliterate your last name. Interesting. And it's very clear that you actually spend a lot of time
Speaker 1 00:10:46 Making it a Lunchable. Yeah. I could see that.
Speaker 2 00:10:49 Yeah. Like when I see it, it's like, I don't know what your last name is. So you definitely want to be referred to as Chelsea. You want to keep it informal. You don't want to be known by that last name. Your signature represents your public persona. It represents how you want the world to perceive you or alternatively it's how you think the world perceives you. Okay. So there's two different ways that it is not, if you're saying it just kind of stuck and if you don't like it, then what that to me is signaling is that your signature right now is showing us what you think people perceive you as just Chelsea, just Chelsea, very casual, not formal.
Speaker 1 00:11:29 I would tend to agree even professionally I'm very professional, but I always have a very casual relationship with my students. Like very open so I can relate to them.
Speaker 2 00:11:39 <inaudible> and the other thing is, is it's not nearly as organized or as controlled as the rest of your writing.
Speaker 1 00:11:48 And I think it's because I have, I like, I would like to like very efficient and I feel like signing with my signature is not efficient anymore. And so I write my first name and then I kind of just, I just want to get it done as quickly as possible because I hate like when I have to sign my credit cards, if I have to, like, I'm just like, Oh, all right, just do that first letter and then scribble the rest.
Speaker 2 00:12:14 It's interesting because really you're not saving any time by signing it the way
Speaker 1 00:12:17 You sign it. I know. So if it was really just a matter of speed,
Speaker 2 00:12:22 You would thread your word. So it's interesting that you, you think that it's for time and yet really that probably takes you a lot more time to right. That's true. Hmm. Fascinating.
Speaker 1 00:12:35 It is. No, I was, you know what, when I was so in fourth grade, when we learned handwriting, my teacher at the time always said I had horrible handwriting. So I think, I mean, I'm, maybe it could be that I just am like a little bit of, I can never do my jeans well, so I kind of just would scribble everything. Maybe it just stuck with me.
Speaker 2 00:13:00 That could be, Hey, that could be, and it's also that to the right. Like if you look at it, it's no display slanted to the right. Okay. And that means there's emotion tied to it.
Speaker 1 00:13:10 Interesting. So that might be it. So maybe it's just
Speaker 2 00:13:12 Back to you. You really don't like it because of the history with handwriting and your fourth grade teacher and it takes too long and you're just like, Ugh, why couldn't if I had a name like Smith. Fascinating. Well, thank you for sharing that and letting me know,
Speaker 1 00:13:27 I love that you gave me the honest feedback like that Chelsea, because that's the way that we learn and we grow and we develop right here. Right? Absolutely.
Speaker 2 00:13:35 All right. Well thank you for being willing to put your handwriting out there, especially if you didn't know what to expect and had no idea about what graphology might be like. You know, the one thing with handwriting is always that it doesn't lie, but we can't predict the future. It's simply a portrait of what is happening right. At that time that you wrote,
Speaker 1 00:13:52 Do you think that people can change their handwriting? Like do you think that takes a long time or do you think people could just change it randomly?
Speaker 2 00:14:01 You can absolutely change your handwriting. Okay. There's all sorts of courses. The first one that I was introduced to was Vimala Rogers, change your handwriting, change your life. And you can, you can practice to change it. It just takes a little bit of determination and it takes some time you have to be conscious of it now because handwriting is really reflective of what's going on in your head. I mean, we use a pin and we put it to paper and it's our hand doing it, but it's up here. It's our brain. That's actually controlling that motion. And a lot of the time that motion itself is unconscious because we're focused on what are we saying? What are we writing? How are we spelling it? So there's also, what's called Bravo therapy. And that says, if there's something particular you want to change, then we focus on that aspect. And there's certain exercises that you can do to help you that change faster. Oh yeah. Cause it changes it at this level too. Right? Yeah. So, great question. Thank you for asking that
Speaker 1 00:15:00 I was going through some of my grad school notes and I was looking at my handwriting. There was a lot, neater was a lot neater. It was, everything was rounder. And I'm looking at my notes now from work and it's just like scribbles. It was close to the sample that I gave you. And I was like, well, it's only been like a year and a half, but what a year and a half,
Speaker 2 00:15:22 Right. Once you're done schooling and now you're doing other stuff and into the job world and it changes you so dramatically.
Speaker 1 00:15:31 That's very true. Most people in school have a very large mood
Speaker 2 00:15:35 Zone and that middle zone is with your A's and I's and E's and O's and W's, and that tends to dominate their writing. And that shows that you're just really living in the present moment. And I think a lot of students, they live in the present moment. Yeah, you do exactly. Right. Totally. And then you get to be an adult and then you have to start thinking ahead.
Speaker 1 00:15:54 Yeah. I was just thinking about that the other day. I'm so different now, you know.
Speaker 2 00:16:01 Great. Thank you for those questions. That was awesome. So I'm curious, Chelsea, what inspires you most? What, what gets you up every everyday?
Speaker 1 00:16:10 I just want to live a very happy life that is full of purpose in terms of helping others and giving back to my community. I've always been very philanthropic or service driven and that's why I'm in a helping profession, I think. And I absolutely love it. And I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't change a thing right now. I'm from, I'm working towards that and it does inspire me. So intrinsically motivated the marching to your own drummer. Yes. I, it, how did you know that helping people, especially younger people who are
Speaker 2 00:16:51 Just getting started with their careers or people who
Speaker 1 00:16:54 Making changes in their career path, how did you know that that is what you wanted to be spending your time doing? So initially when I went to grad school, it was for my MPA and my master's in public administration. It was for a nonprofit and government strategic management. And I knew I just always wanted to work in nonprofit. I always wanted to give back, but I didn't really know. I wanted to, to work in workforce development until I entered grad school. And that's what I started working at the university that I was attending classes. And then I was just able to, I connected really well with students and our students were nontraditional students. So they were adults and then also young adults. And so I just connected really well. I was able to kind of give them some perspective through my experience and I thought, wow, I can definitely do this for a living. What do you think is your biggest, your personality
Speaker 2 00:17:50 Trait that helps you do this so successfully?
Speaker 1 00:17:54 I'd like to say I'm very compassionate. And so I feel a lot of very empathetic, compassionate. So I do feel a lot what my students are feeling are clients. And then me well too, to put myself in their shoes without judgment. And so whenever I come from a place of serving, I don't do it because I feel like I, like I should be doing, like, I don't feel like I'm coming from a place of like, well 40 or, or, you know, I know best. It's just a place of understanding where they come from and how I can help. I'm very solutions driven. So whether, you know, people don't know a certain skill or they're not sure what they want to do. I try to help provide different solutions. So then they can work towards that. That's why I love workforce development because we're building a strategy together.
Speaker 2 00:18:45 Nice. So compassion, empathy certainly are two personality traits that help you do what you do. What would you say is perhaps your biggest failure so far? And would I leave the door open for more failures to come?
Speaker 1 00:18:59 Yeah, that's kind of what life is failures and learning from them professionally. A biggest failure was when I graduated from college, I thought I wanted to be a lawyer and I kind of always had that in my mind. I'm first generation, my family's from Italy, first person in my family to go to college. I was like, okay. Success means being a lawyer. And I thought that was also a great way to help people, but then I, I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. So like my pre law classes were okay. It was just very dry, very there's no room for any creativity or creative problem solving. And then I didn't do a well on my ALSAC and I thought, Oh, well, that's it I'm what am I going to do with my life? And I took that, like, I took a really hard and I was 22 years old.
Speaker 1 00:19:43 And so at that point I just felt like a failure. And I was letting my family down because they had helped me get through school and I took on own, but I was like, well, what am I going to do now? Then that was actually the, one of the best things that could've ever happened to me. I was able to become an AmeriCorps Vista, which is kind of like peace Corps in the United States, but in the United States. And then that's where I was like, you know what? I always volunteered my whole, my whole life, but I could, I couldn't make a living doing this now. And so that's, that's where I started experiencing my nonprofit work. And then eventually when I went to grad school in it. So just from that one failure, it just blossomed something wonderful. I think as long as you're able to use it as a learning lesson, as long as you don't get stuck there, failure can be a really beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 00:20:30 So, you know, and that's such a wise sentiment is failure is beautiful. As long as you don't get stuck there don't wallow in it. Keep moving forward. Absolutely. Is there anything that you would recommend to help you keep moving forward and not get stuck in the failure? So when I was 22, my mom taught me out a lot. She was like my best friend. So she kinda told me don't get stuck here, do inward reflecting, meditate, read some literature, like having a growth mindset. And then that helped a lot. And it's just like, it's just about changing your perspective on things, looking for a positive perspective, but also working that trusting a positive perspective and you have little positive signs all over. I was calling them plus signs that maybe they're positive signs saying, Ooh, it's the meeting. Yeah. And that's just so true. Right.
Speaker 2 00:21:22 Is it? And it's hard in the moment to remember it, unless you have somebody who you really trust and honor and love, you know, telling, you know, keep moving forward. It'll get better and to get better when you're in that it can be really hard to actually believe somebody. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So thank you for sharing that and just being open about it and saying, Hey, yeah, I was there. I felt like a failure and it gets better. It turned into truly being the best thing for me. Absolutely. Well, Chelsea, if you could name this episode, what would you name it? The most interesting woman alive? Oh, my word.
Speaker 2 00:21:56 I don't think I am, but I would say of interesting, but I'm sure there's far more interesting people. I am very unique. So we'll say that. Absolutely. And definitely your, that your handwriting supports that for sure. For sure. Alright. So we're coming towards the end and I thank you for sharing your thoughts. How can our listeners stay in contact with you if they want to actually, how can they get in contact with you? So you can follow me at the career studio. It's the career underscore studio on Instagram. You can also email
[email protected] [email protected] So certainly anybody who is looking at a change in careers or you're just getting started and not really sure what's right for you. Absolutely. Especially during times of COVID, you know, I don't really charge, this is more of a labor of love, so, ah, wonderful, beautiful. I'm glad we can help you and support you in that.
Speaker 2 00:22:54 Thank you. Alright. So I know for me, I've have a wine glass, but it's not wine. It is lemonade today because it is almost warm outside Chelsea that's in your mind. So it is like 80 degrees and very human here. So I just have a nice, refreshing cold glass of water, the best way to stay hydrated. Thank you so much for being willing to have your handwriting and share a little bit about yourself. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. This was so fun. Thanks for listening. If you're wanting to hear more from Theresa and her guests, be sure to subscribe on the platform of your choice and follow her on Instagram, a handwriting underscore pie.
